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Hemming Park Problem
« on: February 08, 2012, 02:30:40 AM »
Several meetings have been held during the past few weeks about the problem of Hemming Plaza.  I’ve attended some of the meetings, and have been asked to be a part of a subcommittee charged with the purpose of recommending a solution to the problem.  There is a meeting today, Wednesday afternoon.  I have written some thoughts below so that I might clarify my position on the park problem.  Given the difficulty of the park problem, I might give this material to the meeting group, perhaps modified according to input from my MJ friends, instead of attempting to convey it via speaking, as it is somewhat long. In any case, I would appreciate any criticism of my views about the park problem.  You can even be brutal.  Our objective is to finally solve the park problem with action, instead of simply talking about the problem every year.   
 
What is the problem?  The park was designed and built to be used by all citizens.  There is a segment of the population which cannot use the park because of the overwhelming and continual presence of another segment of the population.  I shall call this latter segment the “habitual occupiers”.  The excluded segment, those prevented from using the park, is made up of the local workers who might wish to use the park for lunch and breaks, many city core residents who might wish to relax in the park, and city core visitors who might wish to visit the park. 

The fact that the overwhelming majority of the habitual occupiers is black is considered by some to be of significance.  A casual visit to the park seems to indicate that the habitual occupiers consist of about 90% black.  However, even if the habitual occupiers were little old lady knitting groups, or businessmen’s clubs, or all Orthodox Jews, Neo Nazis, or an all-white younger set milling around all day, they too, by their overwhelming and continual presence in the park, would be guilty of preventing other citizens from using it.

How do the habitual occupiers actually prevent others from using the park?  The overwhelming presence of 70 to 100 individuals making up any kind of a homogenous group, no matter the color or kind of organization, is intimidating to most potential park visitors.  And too, the fact that all of the tables and benches are already taken up by the habitual occupiers is enough to turn a potential park visitor away.       

It has been suggested that if the park were to be programed with events or activities every day, then the event alone would solve the problem simply because the habitual occupiers could be easily asked to move out so that the event could proceed.  This would be somewhat effective as long as the momentum of events could be maintained.  However, people must work, so it is unlikely that weekday events could be maintained.  It seems feasible however that activities and events on weekends might be maintained for a while.  But what happens when the momentum or interest subsides after several months of programming weekend activities?  The park will again be overwhelmed by the same set of occupiers.  I suggest that the programming of the park should be instituted for the weekends, but in conjunction with other actions discussed herein.  These several actions will together result in solving the park problem.

The unreasonable, overwhelming, excessive, and habitual daily occupation of the park by the same set of occupiers, which results in preventing other citizens from using the park, should give the city and its citizens the right to take actions which will remove these habitual occupiers.  However, the actions taken must be of a kind which does not infringe on their rights.  The park is after all open to all citizens.

The pressure to affect removal of the current set of habitual occupiers must come from several fronts.  There are programs in effect which attempt to assist some of these individuals so that they might achieve a better living situation.  Each individual removed in this manner is to be celebrated as the best method of solving the problem.  But this is a long term approach, and some of the habitual occupiers will not respond to this kind of assistance.  It has been suggested that the city provide some kind of “day center” so that these individuals, some being homeless, will have a place to bathe, read, use computers, etc.  Currently their day center consists of the library and Hemming Park.  This is not good for the city core. 

The short term approach of enforcing the current set of park rules, along with the creation of some new rules, is perhaps one of the potentially most effective methods of decreasing the park population.  Strict and aggressive enforcement of park rules will result in the banning of individuals from the park, which over time will decrease the park population to a level which will not offer the intimidating scenario which prevents other citizens from entering the park.  The banned individuals will of necessity find other places to loiter.  They will tire of being harassed and banned by the park officers, and some will find other things to do, other places to hang out.

As the park occupier population decreases to a reasonable level, the park image will be less intimidating to the potential visitor.  It is quite calming and pleasing to see the occasional game of chess in the park, the discussion of several individuals, the couple eating lunch, or sitting with their child, the old man warming in the sun.  And any classic park must have the beautiful oak trees, as they alone offer great beauty to the park visitor, whether they are in the park or observing it from a distance.

As little as possible should be changed in the park, as it is quite beautiful.  Any diseased trees should be replaced with young trees.  Any ledges not conducive to visual needs for park enforcement could be modified or removed.  Although it might be necessary to remove certain tables and benches for some reason, to remove many of these functional conveniences only admits that we are changing the park, degrading it, because we are impatient to solve the problems by creative and effective methods. 

The park design, including any changes, should be performed for the long term, anticipating its use by many of the citizens who will eventually be able to use the park as we succeed in decreasing the current population of occupiers to a reasonable level.  To destroy the beauty or classic function of the park in an attempt to solve the current problem would be a shame, and would be wasteful of funds, time, and energy.  We need to make small adjustments to the park, not radical changes in an effort to solve a problem which should be solved by other methods.  No matter what we do to the park, including removing all of the conveniences and trees so that it is bare lawn, if we do not enforce the rules, the same set of habitual occupiers will continue to occupy, standing in the park, talking, cursing, fighting, selling drugs, and intimidating the average citizen who would like to be in the park.

To see two or three dozen citizens enjoying the park, sitting on benches, playing chess at the tables, sunning on the ledges, relaxing alone on a bench, is calming and adds to the essence and beauty of a park.  The occasional word or conversation with a stranger can be a very pleasant experience.  However, to look upon the park and see several crowds or homogeneous groups, standing, all day, appearing to have taken control of the park, is intimidating.  It is unfair to those who wish to use the park for a brief period, which is how it should be used, and not as a daytime camp, an all-day occupation for those who cannot see, and perhaps do not care, how they are destroying one of our city core’s best attributes, and how their very presence is hindering our efforts to revitalize our downtown.  Currently, the park is a negative for the city core.  We must make it a positive. 

Along with the strict enforcement of the existing park rules, and the initiation of some new rules, perhaps the mayor could have a face to face talk with the current set of occupiers.  Along with preparing them for upcoming aggressive enforcement of new rules, he could convince some of them to respect the purpose of the park, and the other citizens who wish to use it.  He could explain to them the negative image they are creating, and how they are making it much more difficult to revitalize the city core.  Perhaps he could explain how the much needed revitalization success will provide more jobs so that they will not feel it necessary to loiter in the park all day.  Perhaps we could engage some of these individuals with conversation about a solution so that some of them will assist in achieving it.         
       
 

 

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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 05:35:15 AM »
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The fact that the overwhelming majority of the habitual occupiers is black is considered by some to be of significance.  A casual visit to the park seems to indicate that the habitual occupiers consist of about 90% black.  However, even if the habitual occupiers were little old lady knitting groups, or businessmen’s clubs, or all Orthodox Jews, Neo Nazis, or an all-white younger set milling around all day, they too, by their overwhelming and continual presence in the park, would be guilty of preventing other citizens from using it.

"Too many people are using the park
And they are the wrong people"

That's what this statement says to me.

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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 07:15:13 AM »
There is no answer.  Ask san Fran, Seattle, DC, NYC, or any other city.  Mitigation can be accomplished with more people living and working downtown... on a permanent basis.  A walking and regular police patrol on foot might help a bit but this would probably cause other issues...

Who does this sound like?


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the same set of habitual occupiers will continue to occupy, standing in the park, talking, cursing, fighting, selling drugs, and intimidating the average citizen who would like to be in the park.


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It is unfair to those who wish to use the park for a brief period, which is how it should be used, and not as a daytime camp, an all-day occupation for those who cannot see, and perhaps do not care, how they are destroying one of our city core’s best attributes,
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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 07:17:58 AM »
I wonder if we're over complicating Hemming Plaza like we tend to do towards downtown revitalization?  Whatever happened to the day center that the Peyton administration discussed?  If the goal is to reduce the amount of homeless in the park, then provide an alternative because the park and library are currently serving as the day center.

If the goal is to attract a wider mix of people to the space, then here are a few things to consider providing:

1. Outdoor Public Restrooms - Other than under the Acosta Bridge on the riverwalk, there are none in the Northbank.  This is a common complaint of many visiting DT for an extended period of time.


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2. Tot Lot/Playground equipment - The library and museum play host to several school field trips throughout the year.  Hemming would be a natural location for those groups to picnic/eat lunch during these occassions.  In addition, we should consider the fact that more than single yuppies and empty nesters desire urban living.  Believe it or not, there are people with young children who don't want to live in the burbs (I'm one of them).  Currently, outside of Metropolitan Park, there's no place for this type of recreation in the Northbank.


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3. Programming - This one has been mentioned several times but programming the space on a regular basis will keep a mix of residents using the park.  However, programming must embrace multiple demographics, cultures, etc. to pull users in around the clock.


Detroit's Campus Martius Park. Programming includes more than festivals.  Being a centralized meeting place for tours and other events also qualifies.


4. Retail - A quick visit to revamped urban public squares around the country illustrates that several have included some form of permanent retail/dining right in the middle of these spaces.  This should be considered for Hemming, perhaps in the vicinity of the skyway stop.  Such a facility can generate revenue for the city, while also attracting users to the park and skyway.


A restaurant in downtown St. Louis' award winning CityGarden.  Adding something like a bike rental shop in the park is another form of retail that can attract people to the space around the clock.


The Bike Station in downtown Long Beach, CA.

If it were up to me, I'd implement all four of the things mentioned above as a solution for improving the quality of the space and its attractiveness to a larger population.  However, this calls for adding more amenities than attempting to take away in an effort to remove a certain group.
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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 07:21:01 AM »
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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 07:49:15 AM »
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Along with preparing them for upcoming aggressive enforcement of new rules, he could convince some of them to respect the purpose of the park, and the other citizens who wish to use it.  He could explain to them the negative image they are creating, and how they are making it much more difficult to revitalize the city core.  Perhaps he could explain how the much needed revitalization success will provide more jobs so that they will not feel it necessary to loiter in the park all day.  Perhaps we could engage some of these individuals with conversation about a solution so that some of them will assist in achieving it.   

Perhaps we ought to have Dr. Gaffney introduce legislation which prohibits more than 50 people of color being in the park at one time?

I see a sign....you have to be this white to enter.

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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 08:12:20 AM »
Perhaps we ought to have Dr. Gaffney introduce legislation which prohibits more than 50 people of color being in the park at one time?

I see a sign....you have to be this white to enter.

I guess I read a different post from Ron.

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The overwhelming presence of 70 to 100 individuals making up any kind of a homogenous group, no matter the color or kind of organization, is intimidating to most potential park visitors.

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However, the actions taken must be of a kind which does not infringe on their rights.  The park is after all open to all citizens.

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The fact that the overwhelming majority of the habitual occupiers is black is considered by some to be of significance.

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However, even if the habitual occupiers were little old lady knitting groups, or businessmen’s clubs, or all Orthodox Jews, Neo Nazis, or an all-white younger set milling around all day, they too, by their overwhelming and continual presence in the park, would be guilty of preventing other citizens from using it.

So even though the majority of the homeless there are black, a fact, I didn't read any racist tones in the post.
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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 08:23:23 AM »
I seriously doubt if a group of little old ladies were knitting in the park, or a group of families with small children, or a group of suits eating sprouts, we'd be having this discussion.

The only way to encourage "better. -- ie. more mainstream"  usage of the park is to do as MJ has been saying for years..see reply #3.  Anything else, does indeed, endanger civil rights.

Tread softly in Hemming Park.  We've been down this road before and it was messy.

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 08:29:21 AM »
After looking at historical pictures of the park. I wish the City would restore it to its original look. Too much brick and concrete and nasty water oaks are in the park now. Looking at the old pictures it is hard to find a bunch of tables and benches. It looks like benches were added in the 50's or 60's. Let's make the park green again.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 08:39:49 AM »
After looking at historical pictures of the park. I wish the City would restore it to its original look. Too much brick and concrete and nasty water oaks are in the park now. Looking at the old pictures it is hard to find a bunch of tables and benches. It looks like benches were added in the 50's or 60's. Let's make the park green again.

Agree 100%.  I think the park gives off a very cold industrialized feel. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 08:45:26 AM »
I'm with Lake on this...add some regular programming (like bring back the Friday farmers market)....then add urban retail kiosks and a small playground area....and finally public restrooms can be added once the "vagrant" issue has been dealt with.

I took some time on Satutrday in Atlanta and walked around Piedmont Park...in addition to the all the walking paths and large lawn spaces, they've redone the public swimming pool in the park and added several cool playgrounds....these areas were packed with young families...and judging by the lack of available street parking nearby, I would say that most drove to the park from other areas of the city/metro area.

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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 09:18:39 AM »
They were removed for the Superbowl; I'm assuming legally.  Could legislation be enacted to prevent people from bringing duffel bags into the park?  The segment population won't enter the park without their personal belongings.

What about checking I.D.s?  Criminals won't enter the park, and if you don't have an I.D you don't enter.

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 09:24:27 AM »
What if parking meters with 1hr time limits were installed next to each table?  (A light bulb just went off in city hall!)
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2012, 09:30:00 AM »
They were removed for the Superbowl; I'm assuming legally.  Could legislation be enacted to prevent people from bringing duffel bags into the park?  The segment population won't enter the park without their personal belongings.

What about checking I.D.s?  Criminals won't enter the park, and if you don't have an I.D you don't enter.

These solutions would also deter just about anyone else carrying a bag, backpack, etc.  Also, not many people are going to want to deal with showing I.D. to enter access Hemming.  I really don't see Hemming as problem that requires over regulation.
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Re: Hemming Park Problem
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 09:31:31 AM »
What if parking meters with 1hr time limits were installed next to each table?  (A light bulb just went off in city hall!)

Orlando has converted a section of parking meters downtown for panhandlers to be able to operate. 

Lake Eola Park actually serves as a pretty good example.  There are homeless in the area... but there is a nice playground and some cool small restaurants along the park that activate pedestrian activity that masks vagrant presence.